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EDITOR'S NOTES: All I Want for Xmas Is a DRP

12/11/2009

Jason Stahl
I recently had the good fortune to hear a rousing argument between two body shop owners, one of whom had 67 DRPs and the other had none. They were sitting directly behind me in a booth at Denny’s, so I slumped down a bit so I wouldn’t be noticed. Here’s what I heard:

Joe No DRP: So what the heck are you doing selling out to every insurance company on the planet? How can you sleep at night knowing all the cars getting steered your way and knowing that you’re butchering our market labor rate?

Al DRP: Well, first of all, partnering with insurance companies is a decision that shops as individual businesses have a right to make. Second, insurers have a right to explain to their policyholders the benefits of using a shop in their preferred networks. If that’s steering, then yes, we’re all being steered against. As far as labor rate goes, we’ve gotten so lean and efficient that we may be able to charge less than you and still make a fair profit. Why should I lose sleep over that?

Joe: Ugh! You called them a “partner!” The DRP relationship in no way resembles a partnership! Ever read one of those DRP contracts? It’s totally one-sided in favor of the insurer.

Al: Actually, no, I’ve never read the contract. It doesn’t really bother me. As long as the insurer provides me with a steady stream of cars and I do a quality job for them and the vehicle owner is happy, then I’m happy.

Joe: Quality? Ha! That’s a joke! We all know that DRP shops have to cut corners, otherwise they’d never make the nut!

Al: I disagree. Our insurance partners would never let us do that. Think about it. They’re as concerned about quality as we are. Why would they risk angering a customer over a shoddy repair? Did you know it costs three times as much for an insurer to acquire a customer as it does to keep one?

Joe: C’mon, you know as well as I do that the customer is clueless! They wouldn’t know a top-quality repair if it bit ’em in the backside! As long as the dent’s gone and the vehicle’s shiny, they’re happy! And the insurer knows that so they allow you to do the minimum you can get away with and save themselves a ton of money.

Al: I disagree. See, doing insurance work has made us a better business. We have to maintain a high CSI, keep our shop spic-and-span and be ultra efficient. We’ve improved our repair process to the point where we crank out more cars in a day, and now that they’ve encouraged us to go green, we’re really saving on energy costs.

Joe: But don’t you hate when they come to you with their little report cards saying, “You know, your aftermarket parts usage is a little low this month,” or, “Your cycle time is up a day, what’s the problem?” I mean, it’s your business, not theirs, right?
Al: Well, we have nothing to hide. Their insistence on us tracking metrics religiously again has improved our business. And I still own my shop and make my own decisions. If one day I decide to terminate a relationship with an insurer, I can do that.

Joe: Ha! Good luck with that! You’re already too dependent upon them! That’s what they try to do – get you so you can’t live without ’em, then they really put the screws to you!

Al: Look, not all insurers are bad guys. There are a few that are more difficult to deal with than others, but most are fair and willing to negotiate.
Joe: Negotiate? What does negotiation have to do with anything? They are a third-party payer of claims, nothing more, nothing less. They are obliged to pay the reasonable cost of repairs. There is no negotiation.

Al: Joe, you really are living in a dream world. Everyone wants a deal today, and insurers are no different. Barring them from our property will never amount to any good.

Joe: You know, it’s guys like you who are the problem in our industry! You’re willing to sell your soul just to get cars in the door. And the rest of us who have the backbone to say, “Yes, you will pay for that,” suffer!

At this, Joe stomped off, leaving Al with the tab. A few minutes later, I heard him come back to the booth and address Al in a hushed tone. What he said shocked me:

Joe: By the way, do you know how I can get on one of those DRPs?

P.S. The above conversation and the two characters are completely made up. Based on what I’ve heard in the industry, I figured this is how one of these conversations might go. Who’s right? You be the judge!

Jason Stahl, Editor
E-mail comments to jstahl@babcox.com
Submit a Comment    Comments (20)
Comment by:
Bill Denny
12/24/2009
11:34 AM
DRP or Non-DRP, it makes no difference. We see hacks and good shops on both sides. The repair quality delivered is based on knowledge, training, and the ethics of the owner and or manager. Everyone should quit making excuses. No one can make me do anything I don't want too. We all have choices!
 
Comment by:
ser
12/24/2009
5:50 AM
i work for a DRP shop. as i see it out of 9 bodymen only 1 uses the alldata, laser measurement system, spot welder, bench set up,corrosion protection, etc., etc., the only reason i stay is because I have control over my jobs. the owner of the shop can't find professionals so he has to hire hacks, even in the estimating dept. i'm waiting around to see his smug ass fail.
 
Comment by:
Rod Pierce
12/23/2009
9:26 PM
Hey Ed, Another thing you might try is to let the adjusters know when they come in how much their work means to you. They get beat up so often at the shops were body men are praticing law that it's nice for them to see you care. Never talk down another shop just let them know that you would eat a bug to get on with them. Also don't get involved with that post dated inspection crap or the deminished value claim b.s., let them know that you just fix car's for a living.. I learned my business ideas from my mother when I was about three years old when she said play nice now boys.. good luck to you.
 
Comment by:
Barrett
12/23/2009
7:47 PM
The Proof is in the Pudding! Call it ‘the luck of the draw’ or just plane statistical fact, but in performing Post Repair Inspections we find (as do most other independent PRI professionals) whereas DRP related repairs quality pale in comparison to the work performed by quality Non-DRP repairers. Incidents of poorly performed repair, insufficient repair, over looked and/or unaddressed loss related damages, uncorrected repair related damages (e.g. pinch-weld damages, un-dressed welds etc.) and issues of potential fraud are often found within the repair of DRP repairs and not within the quality non-DRP performed repairs. Whether this is due to short-cuts, excessive volume or the “Need for Speed” to meet unrealistic “cycle times” or a combination of all is the causation is unknown, but I do know that we hear a great deal of complaints from the technical staff of having to perform an array of services of which they are not compensated or compensated fairly for performing. DRPs, in the beginning, were a great thing for the honest hardworking quality repairers and I remember clearly the pride my father felt by being asked to be a part of Allstate’s referral program back in the 60’s. I recall him conveying the conversation he had with the local Agent and his saying to my father that because of his quality and service, they would like to refer their policy holders and claimants to him for repair. There were no discounts or concessions, just a desire to provide the best services to their customers. This is back when they were truly “Good Neighbors”. Boy, have we come a long way since then, and unfortunately, for the most part, in a much different direction! JMT...Barrett
 
Comment by:
Rod Pierce
12/23/2009
7:31 PM
Hey Ed, You might look into joining an insurance friendly group like Dupont Performance Alliance, they can get you set up on the SOP test required to learn the insurance guidlines and policys, then you can use your test results as a tool to land more DRP's. It also shows that your company is a insurance friendly repair facility and your people are already trained to handle their work. Don't be afraid to deliver donut's to your agents. Friendliness and professional courtesy will take you a long ways in this business.
 
Comment by:
ED VORRASI
12/23/2009
6:27 PM
ITHINK THE CONVERSATION IS RIGHT ON HAVE A COUPLE DRP TRYING TO GET MORE ALL MINE ARE NOT WITH THE BIG DOGS LIKE TO KNOW HOW TO BREAK THE BARRIER ANY COMMENTS HAVE TWO LOCATIONS AND A GREAT REPUTATION JUST CANT GET THROUGH THAT DOOR
 
Comment by:
John
12/23/2009
5:07 PM
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnn........ You can tell this guy had nothing to do but write this crummy sinopsis...Once again, old news. Merry Christmas!
 
Comment by:
Rod Pierce
12/23/2009
4:04 PM
We only have 14 DRP's going at this time, working on getting another 2 going before the end of the year, so it's hard to take sides at this time, once we get more I'll be sure to let you guys know were we stand on the issue. Like the guy with the fishing thing going on, hope to be fishing with you soon.
 
Comment by:
Mike Orton
12/23/2009
3:23 PM
I've heard similar conversations about DRP's and non DRP's. In a land far far away, Alice was on the phone with her adjuster Joe. Joe: Alice we have confirmed coverage for your loss and it looks like we have three shops in your area that are on our program. Alice: Oh, I already have a shop in mind, it's a shop I've always used and they came highly recommended by my friends and relatives. Joe: I'm sorry Alice, I don't see them on our preferred list. Alice: That's okay, they're my preferred shop. Joe: Alice I am afraid if you choose your shop we can't get an appraiser out to write an estimate as we do not have any agreements with that shop. Alice: Oh, they write their own estimates, and I am confident they can supply you with what you need. Joe: Alice If you use that shop we can't guaranty their work! Alice: Oh that's okay, they'll provide me a guaranty. Joe: But Alice, if their bill is more than we are willing to pay, you MAY have to pay the difference, if we do not authorize payment. Alice: I thought you said I had to authorize the repairs? Joe: Alice, I am told we have problems with that shop and they won't work from our estimates. Alice: Oh my! So where do you think I should go? We've all heard versions of this actual conversation and it takes place thousands of times a day and it's neither fabricated or embellished or figment of anyone's imagination. It's a speil that just lies on the legal side of truth just enough to disuade the vehicle owners choices.
 
Comment by:
Mark Cantrell
12/23/2009
1:15 PM
The way I see it if things continue the way they are going we will all be out of business. We all work in a high risk business and should be making a good profit for it. If a wall street investor looked at the profit margins of a body shop today he would run the other way. No way would they invest in a high risk business for the return, neither would a insurance company. Who do have to blame for this? Well the way I see it we can blame ourselves. We have allowed insurance companies to blend with-in the panel or partial refinish, order 2 and 3 after market parts to find one that is passable for the repair, caps on materials, parts discounts, on markups on towing, now progressive has no market on any sublet, spend hours on total loss paper work, some DRP accounts require a full time employee to handle the documentation, having to buy estimating system costing 30k so we match the insurance carriers, here the big one we buy the system to match theirs but for some reason the insurance carrier decides to rewrite the p-pages or delete them altogether. We all have to take ours businesses back from the insurance companies and start making profit again.
 
Comment by:
Bulldog
12/23/2009
1:08 PM
Negotiate????? When was the last time you were able to negotiate your insurance premiums? What is good for the GOOSE is good for the GANDER. If you can't negotiate your insurance premiums why should you negotiate repairs and labor pricing? Are you exempt from practicing law with out a license? This is exactly what you are doing when you negotiate with an insurer on behalf of your customer. You are acting as you have power of attorney with out concent from your customer. Think about it. If you get the right customer and you agree with the insurer on your customer's behalf with out thier permission, shame on you. You could be slapped with a lawsuit. I will guarantee one thing, when I retire if I need work done on my vehicle and the shop of my choice negotiates with out my permission, its going to be to bad for that shop.
 
Comment by:
Machinewaltz
12/23/2009
12:07 PM
Another recap of the same arguements for and against DRP's. The one thing that is certain is that an owner concedes some of his / her ownership rights when executing a DRP agreement. Yes, you may subsequently cancell the "agreement" with an "Insurance Partner" if dissatisfied, but to call these agreements negotiated is almost laughable. These contracts tend to be unilateral, "take it or leave it" affairs. Try to negotiate labor rate, use of oem vs. a/m or recycled, parts discounts, betterment %s, even the tables of flat fees (ie. alignments / a.c. charges, back taping, etc.) yeah, right. In addition to your "negotiation" of those terms that you've exchanged for "volume" you also get to "indemnify" the insurance partner. Yep, sounds like a good deal to me.
 
Comment by:
cloots
12/23/2009
11:43 AM
Is it me, or did all of the crap listed in this so called "Over heard conversation" at Denny's sound scripted? Do you honestly believe that Jason Stahl could remember the conversation verbatim that took place. So I'm to believe that Jason was just sitting there and all this took place right behind him, and how did he remember all this stuff? Was he sitting there taking notes? Maybe short hand. Give me a Frigging break. That whole article smacks of being written and slanted towards the DRP insurance side. It's B.S. plain and simple. More tactics from an industry that can't be trusted in the 1st place. If you believe this, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
 
Comment by:
Wes
12/23/2009
11:38 AM
Drps rock, ooops gotta go , fish on!
 
Comment by:
Laura Bertolli
12/23/2009
11:07 AM
I have to agree with Greg. I own a non DRP shop and I take offense to the way you made this shop owner sound in the narrative. Joe sounds uneducated and Al sounds intelligent for making the choice to use DRP. I'm a college educated second generation family owned business that is quite successful without the need for DRPs. Please feel free to call me anytime to see how I 'magically' stay in business this way!
 
Comment by:
Chris Clarke
12/22/2009
11:56 PM
I honestly do not get the pro-cons. Hiding lurking, cheating? The ones that have problems with these agreements obviously did not know what they were getting into. It is not a lifelong commitment to be sure. Simply walk away. Leave them to those of us who know what is required and can get the jobs done without cutting corners.
 
Comment by:
Jason Stahl
12/21/2009
1:34 PM
To be honest, I think Al can look like a fool too by calling insurers “partners” and clearly turning his business over to insurers and not even reading his contract. Although I must say I question the motives of some non-DRP shops who badmouth DRP shops. I think some truly have honesty and integrity and put the vehicle owner first, but I think some simply knock DRP shops because they’re jealous they can’t maintain good relations with insurers and would jump on a DRP if they could. The end statement, “How do I get on a DRP?” was meant to show the hypocrisy of some, not all, who call out DRP shops as whores. The column was kind of like, “You be the judge” as to who’s the bigger fool.
 
Comment by:
HR.
12/18/2009
6:13 PM
as a NON-DRP shop owner I can say that we have no reason to hide anything. we're the ones that stand up to get paid, not lurk in the shadow of our "partner". by their very nature, their all about themselves. hiding,lurking, & cheating. its how they stay in business
 
Comment by:
Jason Stahl
12/17/2009
3:10 PM
Thanks for your comments, Greg. I was not trying to be pro-DRP or anti-DRP, I was just trying to illustrate the arguments I have heard on either side throughout the industry. Anti-DRP shops accuse DRP shops of being hacks. DRP shops accuse non-DRPs of having something to hide.
 
Comment by:
Greg Wright
12/17/2009
3:04 PM
I don't know about any other parts of the country but in Flint mi. DRP agreements make it hard to make a fair profit and the Quality of the repair is hard to maintain. The more the insurance company controls the customer the more cost cutting they demand. Jason Stahl I think has not researched this topic.
 
 
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